Sealants over Glaze test

Discussion in 'Car Detailing Product Discussion' started by cwcad, Feb 21, 2008.

  1. cwcad

    cwcad Birth of a Detailer

    It is the fourth week of my test and here are my pictures to go with my comments.

    Front hood shot.
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    Right side hood.
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    Left side hood shot.
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    I traveled this last week through the dry part of the state and managed to go through a lot of wind caused dust and dust of construction zones. The vehicle actually looked shiny but the layer of dust from the afore mentioned areas seems to have effected beading characteristics. At least that is what I believe to be the reason. There appears to be a change of beading or lack of surface tension making the beading appear less even. I am not able to discern a difference between the products on the hood. IMO, all are holding up well considering the condition of the paint. I have other vehicles around with different products that were applied before the start of the test area that have better surface tension but were not subjected to the dust and wind of my recent trip.

    I am trying hard not to effect the test with shampoos, QD's, or spray sealants on the test area. Each product needs to stand on its own. It has been very hard to NOT do anything to the truck. Only good thing is the fact that I am not instilling any self induced swirls. If the weather remains nice out I will post up pictures of a clean test area the next time I update this thread.
     
  2. cwcad

    cwcad Birth of a Detailer

    Another week has gone bSy and the hood still looks good. Slickness has diminished appreciably but throughout the test area equally. The hood cleaned up well from the last hand wash. I managed to create problems by not using proper wash techniques last week and left a lot of small water spots through out the test area. I managed to clean the water spots off with a S&W wipedown a few days later. I still have not figured out why it worked after a few days in the sun but did not work on the day of the wash. Oh well...guess stranger things have happened, eh?

    Since nothing has changed as far as looks are concerned and it has not rained since my last update all I can do at this time is offer my opinion on what is happening.

    It was brought up in another thread that the glaze is the only constant in this test. I guess the other constant is the paint in the test area as well. Having considered this constant it makes me wonder if the glaze is effecting the bonding of the sealants in the test. Here are the reasons that I think this.

    The beading characteristics are uniform throughout the test area. In prior testing I could always tell beading differences by product(i.e., sealants hold tighter beading versus carnuabas longer).

    Dust accumulations seems to be the same throughout the test area. In previous observations it was noted that one test section appeared to have more dust than the other test areas.

    Visual observations showed previously had at least one test area different in the look of the paint(i.e. NXT2.0 was visually darker than the rest of the test area. Next was PS albeit slight)

    Texture of the paint also gave an indication of a different product. None of them did a bad job there simply was a difference in feel. I do not feel this difference now. All feel the same.

    For these reasons I submit that the glaze applied has effected the bonding of the sealants in the test. I feel that I have protection on the paint but I do not feel that the sealants involved in the test are giving me their characteristics but rather have been diminished to the point that the only thing that is left is the one constant in the test. The glaze itself.

    I will know more later on in the week since the weather forecast is that rain will come to central Texas.
    I will update with pictures as it happens.

    I solicit any comments on my musings.
     
  3. Al-53

    Al-53 Welcome to Detailing

    Kirt..I have both the Danase and the Chemical guys glaze you have used..both the same product as far as I am concerned....

    Any ways....I have used it under ...Zaino...NXT...Collonite ...Duragloss....Meg's #21..some the the CG sealants...and found the sealants to do just fine...as we know slickness falls off after awhile with any sealant if not boosted with a after product

    I do not think the glaze will give a bonding issue since its not a oil emulsion type glaze but a acrylic based product containing more water than hydrocarbon solvents...this is info I got from CG on the contents...what the percentage is I do not know...trade secret i guess...lol...

    But when used under the sealants I use ..I see the sealants go to the expected duration claimed...and beading quite good...Zaino ...DG and collinite being the best beaders ....

    I have DG 105 on my truck now over the CG ez glaze and the truck is still beading very well since Nov...and no QD's at all over the winter..just 3 washes is all...

    Just some info is all....

    AL
     
  4. cwcad

    cwcad Birth of a Detailer

    Thanks for the observations and the information. I am definitely not an expert just trying to stimulate the forum with observations and possibilities.

    I definitely agree with you that the look, feel, and smell of E-Z Creme and DWG is most definitely similar if not exactly the same . My friend Agent 1 sent me a sample of E-Z Creme to compare against DWG.
     
  5. agentf1

    agentf1 Jedi Nuba

    Yes, I have compared both and cannot find any difference either.
     
  6. Al-53

    Al-53 Welcome to Detailing

    When I talked to Paul at CG last year...the ez glaze had a slight cleaning agent in it...and was removed since people found that using it under and over sealants did a nice job..hence the cleaner was removed so it did not hinder any under laying product....

    also I found that applying by hand gave best results...a far as looks and it lasting...i do not know if machine application flashed the active ingredient to fast and and hindered the results but it seemed so..by hand is night and day results...

    Nice test Kirt also....and I hope all is well with you

    Al
     
  7. maesal

    maesal Birth of a Detailer

    Great info there :thumb:
    Yesterday I applied it by hand in my bonnet with great result. I topped it with Ultima PGP and looked very good.
     
  8. cwcad

    cwcad Birth of a Detailer

    My test is finally coming to a close. The beading is changing each week as you can see from my first posts. I believe that it is time for something different. I never imagined how difficult it was to not do something that would effect the testing. What ever I did during the course of the test each product was treated the same. Nothing was done to add to the products to increase shine or durability.

    It appears from the pictures below that that the beading is lacking of uniformity. Although the entire hood seems to be uniform in the beading. I am comparing the beads now to the previous pictures of this thread. Look for yourself

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    I have to say that I am satisfied with DWG it passed the CharlesW test as far as I am concerned. What is the Charles W test? It is 4 to 6 weeks of good durabilty and shine and I cannot wait to put more product on the replenish what I believe is still doing a relatively good job.

    Slickness was not a major factor in this test. The slickness dropped a little each day. I am not sure if the dust issues were the mitigating factor in this issue but I suspect it may be since I had to put the truck through some hard environmental elements because of the trips that I had to make through central Texas during the test period. Dust from the drought brought excessive wear on the test area. I had one day where it rained dust puddles on my test area. That is why I had to use a car shampoo to clean the test area rather than using S&W my usual cleaning practice.

    Shine remained consistent after the first week. Eventually the hood looked the same through out the test area as compared to the initial look of the applied sealants. There definitely was a different look between the sealants as was shown in earlier posts. The difference did not last long though. As the test progressed the look became generic in shine and beading characteristics.

    Here are my conclusions to my test.
    DWG is a fine glaze that offers good shine and adequate protection for a moderate amount of time.

    Zaino was effected by DWG. As noted by the change of the beading, slickness drop, and uniform shine on the test area.

    Slickness was also noted on NXT 2.0 plus the darkening of the paint and both were soon lost after a week or two as I noted with the generic look of the test area.

    Liquid Souveran probably worked the best with DWG but I suspect my opinion is skewed because of my penchant for the look of LS.

    All in all it was a fun test for me and I look forward to doing similar testing with other products in the future.
     
  9. Nica

    Nica Banned

    Great feed back cwcad :thumb:

    Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and pictures with us :applause2: and for doing this test :applause:
     

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