A Prima Primer

Yeah I may be going overboard with the whole thing. I get into these phases with my hobbies where I buy up everything that interests me. You should see my wet shaving collection! 5 razors, 6 brushes, 20+ creams/soaps.. hundreds of dollars in cologne/aftershave, etc. 400+ safety razor blades .(thats 7+ years worth of shaving before I need to buy more blades!)

Then I stop spending there and come back to detailing and buy hundreds of dollars in product there, then stop and go over to whatever else I have interest in and repeat the cycle.

It drives my wife nuts, but my hobbies are my "me" time, and I have far too little of it now with a toddler. Occasionally I break the cycle and wont' buy ANYTHING for any of my hobbies in a year or more since I just stocked up.

 

He's comparing a "treated" side to an untreated side. That's a fair comparison.. it's no more than a 50/50 shot like a lot of folks post here as they are polishing.

 

yeah i know who he is. doesnt justify the fact that he throws a rotary all over the paint at a 45 degree angle like hes having a seizure. thats all im saying. im sure he is doing well with his products and business, good for him. i didnt question his success. my shop? i dont have one. i do my work out of the garage at my parents house. yeah thats right, my parents house. does that make me less of a skilled detailer than richard lin? i dont think so. correction video? dont have those either, but you are more than welcome to check out the many extensive correction threads i have posted in the show and shine, which speak for themselves. and id be happy to make some correction videos on my next job for you.

all i was saying was that i think that him throwing the polisher around that quick with a cutting pad on a 45 degree angle is poor technique, in my opinion of course. i dont do that. i dont think phil, paul dalton, ken from autowerkes, fminus, dsms, deep gloss, JL, norcal bob, richie, or anyone who produces high quality correction work on here uses a technique like that either. if they do, please let me know, and ill admit fault and stand corrected, no pun intended. theres a good reason for slow and steady passes, and for keeping the pad flat on the surface. as far as cutting faster by keeping the pas on an angle, ive personally never heard such a thing. if its true, oh well.

now go buy some prima from phil already. im really curious to see how long it takes for all this hype to blow over. :waiting2:

 

Let me know when a dremel or angle grinder works as well "flat" as it does at an angle. Same principal (in theory) applies to polishing pads.

If the product is liked and Phil decides to continue carrying it I guess you'll just hear more about it. Not sure when 'hype' turns into just normal chit chat about a product people like.

The main difference with Prima is it's not spoken about here (much), a primary reason for that is because before today neither Phil nor any of his 'sponsors' carried it.

I'm still waiting for the Dodo Juice hype to be over. :shakehead:

 

are you serious? comparing an angle grinder to a machine polisher? i mean i GUESS i can see how one might think the principal is the same, if you're knowledge on the mechanics and principals of paint correction are minimal or lacking. the main principal of paint correction being to remove defects by LEVELING the paint, not GRINDING the clear away like you would with an angle grinder. i mean, hey, i guess it would work if you're a hack, and your customers enjoy deep hologramming induced by the "heavy cutting angle technique", but for those of us who like to do it the right way and yield better results, we keep our pads flat. anyone who knows anything about correction should know that cutting with the pad on an angle is bad news. you are concentrating too much heat on a smaller area, as well as putting the force that should be on a 5" area on a 2" area, and you simply cant really keep the paint level by doing so. its poor technique, bottom line. i can get a yellow uber pad and M105, keep the pad flat, and remove most serious defects while yielding an almost hologram free finish. dont believe me, check out my thread where i corrected my girlfriends Audi. im not bragging, im simply stating that i see no benefit in angling a pad for more cut.

and no offense, but until you post up SOMETHING constructive, helpful, or something that shows us you know what you're talking about, i cant take you seriously. you've posted no work, and i havent seen you talk about anything but prima for weeks. have you ever posted any work? dont question me about mine if you cant even post any of your own. i mean we can all regurgitate information all day long if thats what floats your boat. ive been getting a good amount of PMs about you since i first responded to this thread, and it seems im not the only one who feels this way. try contributing something to the forum. buy some of the product line. hell, you should really buy one of each by rights, since you're the one that got this thing rolling on prima. try out the products, write reviews, make videos, tell us how you like the stuff, what works good and what doesnt. that would be constructive, but hyping the products like you work for prima or you think its the second coming of jesus christ isnt helping anyone. im not trying to be hostile, so dont take it that way. but i have no problem calling people out on shit when its warranted. i will not be arguing with or responding to you again after this.

 

Sorry. I dont have time to snap pictures while I work in 100+ heat. I'm too busy trying to avoid heat stroke.

I used to post my work on autopia (8 years ago). But I don't need pats on my back via posting pictures on boards so I stopped doing them all together.

I'll post reviews when I get the products in and use them. Thanks.

 

Correct, his father is a Chemist. They developed quite a few variations of Black Wow in the past before coming to the version being sold now. They're also in the works of another product as well. It will be a great product for everyone when it does






On a side note, who the hell cares how you get results as long as its legit and not filled in? I go to Richards shop all the time since its less than 10 miles from where I go to school and I see/worked with him on cars in the past. He knows what he is doing. If you all want to continue bickering about his technique, I'll ask him if he feels the need to join this forum and clarify. Regardless if its a "hype" or not, I'm still going to use Prima over Menzerna when possible due to the darkening ability it has.

 

I wanted to touch on this last night but I was putting the baby down for the night. I wasn't saying using a buffer at a 45 degree angle was a good idea. Nor do I see Richard using extreme angles like that. This is a SHORT video of how he uses Prima Swirl. He may only use an angle to compound/polish for particular cases, the point is we don't really know. But to call someone who uses a different method than what's considered "normal" a rookie/noob/whatever is just darn silly. He gets results, he's not carving the paint up and people are pleased by his work. He's moving faster at the angle that you normally would buffing with the pad flat. I'm sure this is to help mitigate hologramming and some of your other concerns.

Maybe he'll chime in one day about why he uses an angle as part of his polishing routine.

 

Take an old 60's muscle car with questionably thin paint. When you are polishing the fenders, youll want to lift the pad off the edge. Why? The paint will be the thinnest at the edge, and lifting the pad will stop it from potentially catching on the fenders edge and damaging the paint and ruining the pad. If you keep the pad flat with pressure on edges while using a M105/yellow combo, you could EASILY burn through the corners. This is just one example, and there are others. I dont post pictures tho, so take my regurgitation for what its worth...

 

Did they sell any of these previous versions? Ive had my black wow for 4 years and Im curious if I have the most up-to-date version. I do love the product, but its such a mess to use, just like Ultima TTGP.

 

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