Wax Film Thickness Measured!

Discussion in 'Car Detailing Product Discussion' started by agpatel, Jul 31, 2009.

  1. agpatel

    agpatel OD On Detailing

    So do not know if this is allowed, Nica remove or move if needed, but over on DW someone was kind enough to do a little experiment with how much film is left behind with wax with high precision and accurate instruments. So far the results are somewhat surprising, 3 layers of wax were applied and measured throughout the process. Also surprising results in how light/heavy buffing can remove wax film and how the 3ed layer of wax actually also removed product.

    Link to the thread: Page 4 is were the results start:

    http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=127943


     
  2. slow_racer

    slow_racer Any Rag Vehicle Washer

    awesome! watching this.
     
  3. agpatel

    agpatel OD On Detailing

  4. flash gordon

    flash gordon Banned

    Wow....:chips:
     
  5. 911Fanatic

    911Fanatic DB Pro Supporter

    Loooong read ( I read all 9 pages ) but very interesting. A good read for everyone.
     
  6. agpatel

    agpatel OD On Detailing

    It is a long read but still shows that you really can not get anything more after 2-3 layers without hurting what you have put down. What I found interesting is that MF can remove wax film layer, I mean it makes sense now thinking about it but did not till I read it. Nice read when you got some time on your hands!
     
  7. flash gordon

    flash gordon Banned


    :reading:^^^^^^^:whistle:
     
  8. Woob

    Woob Jedi Nuba

    Good read, kinda confusing at times. Just know film builds dont add up as easy as some might think.
     
  9. togwt

    togwt Nuba Guru

    [...What I found interesting is that MF can remove wax film layer, I mean it makes sense now thinking about it but did not till I read it. ...]

    http://www.detailingbliss.com/forum/f8/microfiber-cotton-buff-wax-10478.html


    Removing Wax / Sealants
    Water, being hydrophilic adheres to micro fibre; in comparison to cotton, a Microfibre will soak up 98% moisture, while cotton can only soak up at most 70%.
    The polyester and polyamide content of Microfiber is typically; a blend of 80% polyester (a scrubbing fibre) and 20% polyamide (an absorbing fibre).The nature of this yarn is that it is an absorbent; the reason polyester appears to absorb liquids is the many thousands of micro fibres that collectively encapsulate liquids

    a) A Microfiber towel made from polyester/polyamide will remove product due to its inherent properties (that’s why they are so good at cleaning without the use of chemicals). The polyester and polyamide are combined during weaving to create microscopic loops, which form a network of tiny hooks, scrubbing away dirt and grime while trapping it within the weave. These very fine fibres have little 'hook like claws' that reach into the tiniest of crevices, pulling out dirt, dust, grease, grime, and even bacteria. They hold these foreign materials in their web of weaves until they are washed in warm water where the fibres relax and release these materials.

    Conversely the same attributes that make Microfiber so good at cleaning have an adverse affect when applying wax. A polymer sealant forms a molecular bond with the paint surface, so when you remove it, you are removing excess product. An organic wax however, doesn’t form a bond with the paint surface but merely adheres to it, forming a chain-link type coating. A micro fibre cotton towel will leave enough of the wax behind to enable it to form a surface coating.

    b) A towel made from 100% cotton micro fibre with a terrycloth weave, spun with long staple cotton and then woven into 100% natural looped terrycloth or velour, the larger fibre loop size that makes up the towels nap are trimmed to produce a fine nap, ideal for buffing and leaving behind a coating on the paint surface. DF Concours



    An extract from one of a series of 110 in-depth, unbiased “Detailing Technical Papers” © TOGWT ™ Ltd Copyright 2002-2009, all rights reserved.
    These papers will enable direct access to five decades of detailing knowledge and experience
     
  10. loudog2

    loudog2 Two Bucket System Washer

    So, it is better to let a wax sit for 30 min instead of the WOWO method then. Right?
     
  11. togwt

    togwt Nuba Guru

    Some waxes may be suitable for the WOWO method, althouh not my pref method (although for Klasse its one of the better removal methods)

    Wax Bonding and Cure

    When applied to a surface will not adhere properly on its own, solvents and miscible oils are added to enable it to spread evenly to the surface. Natural and synthetic waxes initially adhere by surface tension; the balance of the adherence process is that it works its way via the carrier system (solvent and / or oils) and the polymers into the microscopic gaps and a valley of the paint film surface thereby creating a mechanical anchor, a wax doesn’t form a true covalent (molecular) bond to the surface, this is due to its limited polymer content

    An organic wax cures, i.e. form a hard shell over the surface, these ‘bonds’ are both time, temperature and humidity dependent; after sufficient drying times do a quick swipe test with your finger, if no smearing or drag is evident; the residue is ready to be removed.
     

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