Paint Oils?

I was looking at the detail vxrmarc did on the Audi A8. I saw he used Swissvax Cleaner Fluid prior to applying wax. I was wondering what exactly the purpose of this is. I always thought of pre wax cleaners as removing polishing oils to allow specifically sealants to bond better. Same goes for alcohol/ water or Menzerna Top Inspeciton. But the description says it "nourish the paint with its ”heavy” polishing oils."

It also says that it doesnt contain abrasives, but removes scratches and swirl marks. So basically it has oils and fillers? Why are the oils it has in it necessary to put on paint?

Here is something else I heard about paint oils. "The reason for the oils is that they are already found
in the paint, but they tend to dry up, which leads to
the clear becoming brittle. Thus, if you keep it
malleable AND protected (ie: polished and waxed), it
lasts forever (well, almost forever)."

His argument was that using something like a water/ alcohol solution is bad for paint because it drys it up and removes any oils from the polish.

 

Heres another example I just found of paint oils. http://www.autogeek.net/meghanpol.html I was having problems editing my OP.

 

Sounds almost like a glaze to me which I feel tends to feed the paint somehow..I'm no chemist, but if I'm doing a black or heavy metallic..I always use a glaze. I have Menz 85rd coming and I'm gonna try a 75/25 combo of 85rd/RMG to see how it works. I'm hoping it will rock and maybe eliminate the separate glaze step. Time for some experimentation!

 

hmm there is some interetsing info here, i dot have any info to add but i will be watching this thread to see what come up

 

I am not 100% sure on this, my memory is a tad fuzzy, but I am fairly sure Zymol HD cleanse used to be made by Meguiar's. (wow a lot of my recent posts have been about them...and I haven't been using them that much) I think they changed formulas when Turtle Wax took over.

 

That sounds interesting. I dont use a glaze unless the customer wants it. I also dont know how I feel about 85rd. I dont think there will be much difference between that and 106FF, but looking forward to hear your opinion. But anyways, thats a whole other thread.

 

I wonder if it's marketing gimmick when it comes to a claim of "feeding paint with oils", but who knows. Hopefully someone can clear this out.

 

Thats what Ive been thinking. But if the UK guys use it, maybe there is some truth to it.

 

I'm no expert on the matter, but the "feeding paint with oils" may be lagit. I have a friend who owns his own body shop and he has cautioned me numerous times to be carefull with the alcohol wipe down. I didn't really ask him why but every time I tell him that I give the vehicle an alcohol wipe to remove left over polish he always tells me "be carefull with that stuff, make sure it's not to strong and you wipe if off quickly"...mmm...perhaps I need to ask him for some more information on this.

I'll ask and I'll post what I find out.

 

I think it does have truth to it. There is a writeup somewhere, where someone uses a pure polish on some black single stage paint. I will look for it one class is over

 

Whats your definition of a pure polish?

 

I wonder if alcohol "dries out" the clear coat..hmmmmm

 

Thats what I heard.

 

Yup, that's what I was told too that alcohol some how dries out the clear coat...but I'm just going by what I was told. I can kinda understand though but I just didnt' realize that the clear coat actually had oils in it? mmmm....who knew...maybe we could reques that to be shown on TV on the "how it's built" program

 

Haha, the how its built program is pretty cool! But I think this is VERY important, and often over looked. I got the whole alcohol/ water wipe down thing from killr, so obviously not many people know about the oils.

I sent a PM to vxrmarc on DW, still waiting for reply.

 

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=46148

 

I agree with you, ever since my friend constantly warned me about the alcohol wipe down I've stoped doing the alcohol wipe down. The last alcohol wipe I did was on that fire truck and on the single paint area I could notice a difference..again it could have been my eyes playing tricks on me but I thought the paint looked a bit different.

Keep us posted as to what you get from Marc. Mean wile I left a voice mail for my friend to get back to me about this matter.

 

Sneek, Nica, and update?

 

Well I've been talking with my friend that owns his own paint shop and he stands by his original information he provided me with. That was not to use alcohol wipe down and he says that oils are good for the vehicle but that the oils only add to the wet look of the vehicle

I have another friend that works at a paintshop and said the same thing...apperently oils help but don't go past the clear coat

I think this is still up for discusion and still needs further re-searching but that's just my :2cents:

 

Oh wait a sec, I have the container/product that he uses as a wipe down....he uses it all the time after sanding...ect..ect...

I'll go down stairs and get the name :chest: