nissan gtr what a joke

nissan is a company that is deffinitely on the up and up.. i think they make some really ugly cars and are loaded with plastic but i could care less about that.

i was way behind on the nissan gtr and the transmission.. there is a button on most luxo/sport cars that turns off traction control and/or all safty features.. in the GTR it's called vdc.. to achieve a 0-60 time of 3.4 seconds you have to use the vdc button to engage launch control.. but if you do that you void your warranty.. and nissan makes you aware of this. for 100k+ wtf would they do that for? why have a weak transmission that can't be used to it's full potential.. there are a few people claiming to have been given a 20k bill for the transmission..

thx god you turned that car down nica.. it is soooo ugly..and the interior sucks.. and on top of that you cannot even use it's coolest feature without voiding the warranty on top of the 75k base price most dealers have the car in the 100-120k range..just a joke for a car that should have been more exciting if they produced more and charged 75k at the most..but not 100-120. so if you want to do a sub 3 sec 0-60 you either have to get some drag radials or have your warranty voided and in a couple months get a 20k bill..how could this car win car of the year from anyone. if they cheat their customers this much i can see how Porsche and others think they cheated their time at the ring..esp since in whatever track test against other super cars it never wins on any track..i know the ring is far from the average track..but i think you would have to be smoking something other than pot or tobacco to order one of these. nica .esp with the zr1 hanging it out to dry. in my eyes yet another failed attempt at japan making a super car..the lfa and nsxi am sure will be better..

to boot for 2010 nissan has removed the vdc option.. no more launch control. it might be available in the spec v version but that might be 100-120k to start.. funny how they offer buttons that void warranties and sell the car based on times one can only achieve by voiding the cars warranty and putting a weak transmission in to boot. good job nissan i wonder how much you payed mags to say it's the car of the year?

 

lol I agree with a lot of what you say but not the ugly cars part. To each their own though, I totally agree about the warranty void though. Why pay $100K+ for a car that you're not allowed to drive hard. Completely pointless. BTW, whats with the sudden rant?:shrug:

 

Truth be told....

The reason why the GT-R was getting alot of flack for the VDC Off/LC = Voided warranty was because some idiot who bought one, decided to do countless LC's stoplight to stoplight showing off to everyone at how badass his car was.

And then "mysteriously" his tranny decided to chew up its own gears. He took it to Nissan and they deemed the cars warranty was voided after Engineers from Japan had took all recorded data from the vehicle.

The reason why his warranty was void, was because he never broke the car in properly before engaging in such a juvenile act. Thus he made over 100 LC's within 2 weeks before its recommended 2,000mile break-in procedure was ever completed.

The individual in question was repeatedly asked what was the reason for his voided warranty, and with a little searching, some forum members of NAGTROC.com discovered that he was bragging on another forum about his abuse.

Nissan, as well as any vehicle manufacturer, DOES in fact reserve the right to void any warranty expressed, implied and given, due to abuse and/or misuse.

Nissan's GT-R has a black box recording system to record all of the vehicles activity up to the point of a catastrophic failure such as the transmission eating itself.

The use of Launch Control itself does not void the warranty by any means, but its excessive use and abuse of such feature without taking the proper maintenance procedures such as replacing the transmission oil after each LC can and will result in Nissan voiding the warranty should they see such act be determined as abuse.


Nissan did infact cheat Porsche of the Nurburgring record lap time, as the GT-R was not fitted with the OEM run flat tires that every GT-R ships to dealers with. And used DOT-approved competition tires, whereas Porsche has always used the same exact tires for their Nurburgring lap times, as it ships on the car to Dealers.

Nissan removed the VDC button all together to remove further confusion of the controversy surrounding the abuser.
But VDC is not totally undefeatable, as other Nissan cars, notably the 350Z and 370Z have VDC and is easily deafeatable by removing the "brake light" fuse so owners can do a burnout at the drag strip without fear of trashing their rear ends as some have done.


Nissan's GT-R pricing is set at $67k msrp, and all other "markup" pricing is left up to the dealerships, which most have been accused of doing, to take advantage of the GT-R name.

My local Nissan Dealer has not done such an extravagant price markup, and has sold to date 10 GT-R's (5 are still waiting to be delivered) in case at no more of $70k out the door


I really wish i could find the link to the GT-R's first abuse case to backup my statement.


The reason why the transmission repair is so costly at $20k is because the tranny itself is a joint effort with Nissan and VW/Audi to develop the GR6 transmission that costs $12k in itself and the $8k comes from the labor for the rebuild or replacement

 

I'd just purchase a Z06. There are always idiots in the world who ruin everything.

 

I'd buy a 97 Turbo P car and be able to flog it all day long without having to worry about it braking.

 

The claims themselves are overinflated as to how common they are. It's only happened to 4 cars in total out of the 1,000s that have happened. I would still buy a GT-R, there's a people who are doing constant 1/4 miles with them and have 100's of LC's on record with no problem at all. They said it was probably under constantly rapidly repeated conditions that the transmission would fail.

The rest of the failed transmissions, I know 1 was killed by a guy constantly doing it before the break-in period, which is pretty obvious you should wait so I consider that his fault for not breaking it in. Another one was a guy who was pushing it hard at the 1/4 mile, had a lot of mods to it and knew it evenutally would fail.

I would still get a GT-R(If I had the money ), and time will tell how well the rest of all of the transmissions hold up. Hopefully they will get it pretty bullet-proof in the next couple years.

 

If you look at NAGTROC, youll see taht there are plenty of people running mid 11s and mid 3 sec 0-60 times w/o launch control.

Nissan wouldnt cover the warranty if you dumped teh clutch at every red light, what makes an auto tranny any different?

and this is old news btw.

 

So many people complain about launch control but never fully understand what it's for. It's for drag racing. Since when would you use launch control in corners or in any other situation?

The early Subaru WRX's ('02-'03's) had similar issues with their transmissions going out due to all-wheel launches like the GT-R. I would know this because I've actually ripped through the teeth on my friend's transmission when I shifted hard from first to second gear on a test drive (the car was already well-broken-in). However, if you drove the car normally, the cars were perfectly fine.

I really wish people complained about something with actual justified reasoning instead of hating a foreign car that outperforms some of our American counterparts. Some people just can't seem to accept the numbers which I think is silly.

 

Some good points above here. But when you make a car as powerful as it is, you should be able to mash on the go-pedal all day long and not have any issues. Last time I checked, it's a sports car. Drive it like one.

That's like saying that I'm buying a dually to haul around cattle all day long, BUT HOLD ON, if you haul cattle 7 days a week as opposed to 4 days a week, your warranty is void.

 

At its price tag, there is no excuse for transmission failure. Sure the first issue was brought on by what would be considered abuse, but there are two here in alberta alone that have chewed up transmissions. It's competition, has no such transmission issues, and as a whole, are more fun to drive due to the fact YOU'RE in control o the vehicle, not computers.I got a ride in a clients, and I have to say, while it can crack off some alright tracknumbers, it's not very uplifting to know it has very little to do with your driving skill....esp when it doesn't keep up with his vette, that he spent less on, can flog all day, and never have an issue with....You don't pay 100k+ to get a supercar that can't be 'used' to its potential without the possibility of voiding a warranty; not to forget that you advertize the car can do a 3.4 to 100, but only with this risk of transmission failure?

 

wow some of you guys are saying that you should be able to buy a factory car and drive as hard as a pro built car?? that to me is totally silly. i mean i can see it performing well, but come on, even 100K for a pro built car is cheap. i know a few people who build super high horsepower motors for racing and they dont even offer a warranty. if you plan on abusing it, which is defined differently it seems by some people, you are asking for problems. i have seen some 1000+HP motors blow on the dyno before even being put in the car. if you want something to race, then build a race car. if you want a car that performs well and can be pushed, buy a super car, if you want transportation buy a daily driver. just like most of here use several steps and know that 1 step solutions are marginal at best.

oh and 8K for a trans, thats dirt cheap. i know 2 guys who are driving rear diffs that cost them 15K for street. motors they run are in upwards of 50K. all this in the quest to be the fastest and stay street legal and be dependable. but guess what, they didnt get any warranty with those parts.

 

8k for a trans? I'm buying a built T56 trans that will support 1000hp and it's just a little less then 4g's.....the rear end on my car, for it to be fully built and withstand the output will cost less then 2gs....

It's fair to expect a custom built motor that is going to be used for race purposes to have no warranty. it's being used for constant wide open throttle runs, and the slightest oiling, or gas delivery issue could cause fatal damage. This being said, you can order longblocks that will support 1k hp, for 5k and have a warranty to back it up for around three months on any mustang.. The problem here, is a car that you're paying 100k dollars for, and is advertised to do a 3.4 second to 100, only using the launch control, should be able to stand up to such claims. The useage of the device created to enable such performance then voiding your warranty for what they determin to be "abuse" is simply wrong.

 

I wouldn't touch a 5k motor that can withstand 1,000 horsepower.

 

I don't think that anyone was driving the car like a pro-built car. He was just flooring it wherever he went. I don't think that's abuse. I think that is driving it like it was meant to be driven.

 

This is just my opinion but after seeing, feeling it, driving it and detailing the GT-R I actually didn't mind it....but in my opinion it's not worth $100,000.00 plus. I mean if your going to spend that kind of money for a vehicle that just blends in to traffic :shakhead: The body, style and shape aren't too bad but just too common, not exotic enough for me. As for the transmission and Launch Control...I don't know I kind agree, why put such things on a vehicle that you can't use...but then again I agree why would you use it on the streets...on a race track that's different....but to be it come down to money, if I'm going to spend $100,000.00 on a car I would rather purchase a Porche Turbo...or dish out the extra and get an Aston Martin, I would take a DB 9 or DBS over a Nissan GT-R no question about it.

But I think for Nissan this GT-R was a big leap for them in the industry, some of the issues with the vehicle I would have to blame on user error...there is doubt about it, the GT-R handles really well, feel great on the street...but like I said not exotic enough for me...not for the price..but that's just me.

A part of me is gone the car is gone...but a part of me would love to see it in my garage...it complimented my Lexus :giggle:

 

I'm waiting for you to pick up a nicer stable mate for your lexus soon. I know whatever it is I will love it!! :applause2:

 

And therein lies the problem. I believe the problem is two point. 1. People are stupid. Period. If you want to drive your car like its a race car, build or buy a race car. Otherwise, don't bitch when it breaks. Do you think for a minute that Colin McRae (RIP) drove his personal car with the same enthusiasm he drove his works Subaru or Focus? Not a chance. 2. The reason people drive them like that is because all the manufacturers advertising tells us we can. When Dodge shows guys racing around a track in their Vipers as part of their advertising, how do they think their customers are going to drive them. Common sense is all to uncommon these days. Sorry for the rant, but Geez Louise, I wish stupidity was painful!

 

Exactly what I mean. If you push it, expect something to break.

All manufacturers make these performance claims and they do so at the risk of breaking their vehicles. These claims are part of marketing and to draw interest to their vehicles. Just remember, these are technically street cars after all. If your transmission on your GT-R breaks because you're using launch control on the street, I have no pity. :hmph:

 

I have a GT-R. I gave up my porsche turbo for it. I think it is a great car!

Those who bash the GT-R really know nothing about car and what it took Nissan to envision, create and execute its first supercar. Sure there are first time growing pains for the car, just like any other car. But these issues of launch control and faulty trannys are blown out of proportion. The car is not 100k! These prices are with ridiculous dealer markups. If you truly want to own one, one can be had for MSRP. You just have to be a smart consumer.

When Nissan used the Porsche turbo as the benchmark, It set its mark high. And of course with that, comes disbelief and hatred towards the GT-R. Everyone is entitled to there opinion whether or not the GT-R cheated on the Nurburging. But why would they have to?

Nissan doesnt have to pay magazines to win awards. If so, they would be broke because theyve won most major awards this year!

No supercar like the GT-R has created such a firestorm of admiration and dislike.

Honestly, no car is the greatest! Its like arguing who is the hottest girl?

 

So, who is the hottest girl? A much more interesting conversation!

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