Looking for a new wax for Alpine White

Well... I guess I'll add in my 2 cents.

SV - surely lack of reviews, same with many of the Zymols
Supernatural & RBOE: Great waxes, great looks, but both are hard to work with from how hard they are. Also if you're looking at any of the high dollar 'nubas, you'll potentially have problems with sweating - though that's less likely on a white car because they don't absorb heat nearly as much as darker colors.

Don't automatically write-off the "lower high dollar" waxes such as P21S 100%, the Cheaper Dodo Juice Waxes (I used Purple Haze on a white GT500 that I'll post up now and LOVED it), Pinnacle Souveran, Wolfgang Fuzion, etc. For $150, you could get several of these rather than just one high dollar. Additionally, keep in mind you can always by a Supernatural sampler to try before you buy

 

It's not as bad as some folks claim it to be. Apply it THINLY. I do so with my bare hands. I actually prefer this method over any applicator - it seems more precise to me. I can get my hands/fingers into and around places, like mirror housings, that applicators don't fit into.

Removal, yeah, it's not the easiest wax to remove. It's certainly not like working with Collinite 845, for example. But I've used RBOE a lot, and have refined a technique for removal that works well for me. Here it is; upon re-reading Ben's website, it's basically his recommended process,

1. Allow the wax to cure for, at a minimum, the 20 minutes that Ben recommends. I give it at least one hour.

2. With two or three medium-thick towels (not the hyper thick stuff that everyone seems to be in love with), go over the entire car, one time. This won't remove all of the wax, and isn't supposed to. For the towels, I prefer Justin's Super Fly towels. RBOE is a little sticky, and super plush towels just bunch up in your hand.

3. With a couple new towels - the thicker ones are fine here - finish the job. If necessary, carry a bottle of QD around with you, preferably a QD that doesn't do much in the way of altering the finish. I like ONR in a QD dilution, or Meg's 34 Final Inspection.

So, yes, it's a bit more difficult than removing some of the more famously easy waxes to remove (Wet Obsession, Colli 845, etc). But, if you do it in two steps rather than one, it goes pretty quickly.

Your patience will be rewarded. I promise. :thumb:

 

Krshultz hit the technique dead on. Personally I use an applicator myself, the Rubbish boy finger foam applicator. It's small enough to get in tight places. The key is heating up the applicator. I simply stick it in front of a halogen for a about a minute. Then you can swirl it in the jar of RBOE. It gets the oils flowing. You can do this a few times throughout the waxing. Key is putting it on thin. A little bit goes a long way with RBOE.

I let mine cure about 30-45 minutes. Follow Krshultz suggestions with the towels. I like to do a 2nd coat 24 hours later.

It's not as hard to work with this as it seems. After the first time, it becomes rather easier. It's just a little harder than some simpler waxes.


As far as the Saphir, it seems the people that have used it really like it. I am sure it would be a safe choice as well. The last SV wax I used was Smargd, which was an awesome wax. One thing with the SV waxes is that the cleaner fluid is NOT required for it to work correctly. I know some guys swear by it, or claim that it is required for bonding, but its simply not true. I had Smargd last 4 months without using the SV fluid. With a good prep and clean surface (such as wiping down with IPA prior, or sealing with JS109 or equivalent prior), you'll be fine applying saphir, or any other wax.

I think the obvious solution may be to buy the Saphir, RBOE, and get a sample pot of Supernatural and apply to different panels

 

thx guys.
I am seriously not a fan of the P21S 100% tho, I prefer the regular P21S, it looks the same and I feel its much much easier to work with. I also have DoDo Juice Blue Velvet that I got recently for my Jet Black E46 M3 but it was recently in an accident (some dude ran a red light) so I am selling it but I have a AW E92 M3 coming so I feel like the blue velvet is not optimal for AW so I wanted a new wax. I duno but I just really want a Swissvax. They seem like such a premium wax and if I wanted to spend a nice chunk of change, Swissvax is all that comes to my mind. It looks like I'll cross the Supernatural off my list.

Can someone tell me the adv/disadvan of the Saphir/RBOEs??
which one lasts longer, looks better?
I am assuming with the high nuba content they will be about the same difficulty to work with?

 

Save your money. Get some bfwd and rboe and don't look back.

 

Well I haven't used Saphir, but I have used Smaragd a lot which is comparable to the SV Concorso, which is a step up in price in the SV line. I am pretty sure the Saphir will be easier to work with since its a commercial wax. That's not to say that RBOE is difficult to work with, but comparing the 2, Saphir should prove easier. RBOE is handmade by one individual, so solvents vary from a commercial wax. It takes a slightly modified application technique, but the results are worth it. It was good enough to make me put the Smaragd aside. I have had both Carbon black metallic and AW. It really boils down to personal choice. I would honestly just buy them both. Do half the car with one and half with the other. If you strongly prefer one over the other, you shouldn't have any trouble selling the the remaining pot in the for sale section recouping back the majority of your investment.

If you really want a Swissvax, then I am sure you will be happy going that route. In fact, there was a recent post in Show and Shine where P1et did a detail on an E92 AW M3 with Saphir. Pictures looked phenomenal. Not sure if you saw it or not.

http://www.detailingbliss.com/forum/f47/2009-alpine-white-m3-w-swissvax-12039.html

If you really want to try a Swissvax, look into the Swissvax Blau Weiss, which is for BMWs. Supposed to last longer then the Saphir according to the info.

http://www.detailersdomain.com/swissvaxblauweisspremiumwaxspecificallyblendedforbmwpaints.aspx

 

Hello from E46fanatics and M3forum..... LOL :lol2:

Go for Dodo Juice Supernatural IMO best wax you can get for under 150. Otherwise my pick is Swissvax BoS which is my hands down favorite at the moment.

 

Yea I saw that thread with the AW, looks amazing but i think its more camera work than wax.
I am so puzzled so I am just going to bite the bullet and buy both Saphir and the RBOE when it comes in stock again.

Hi Brian, do I know you from E46 or M3Forum? Sorry its been a while since I've been on there, my memory is a bit foggy LOL

 

You'll be happy with each. They'll do you proud!!