New Waterless Wash/LSP in the works...

Well the product already exists through a neighbor of mine, but whomever actually produces it I cannot (won't) say, but he has exclusive rights to it, and the company is first rate to say the least. Basically it is a waterless wash incorporated with what I believe to be a type of sealant and Kaolin clay. He is claiming it can last up to eight months. It's basically a wiping style product. He wants me to get involved because he knows I have a decent amount of experience and very extensive knowledge in terms of this stuff. He's a bit *wild* to say the least in his interest in marketing it, which scares me slightly, but I'm more worried about the results rather than diplomatics. Today I started testing the product. I applied it to the hood of my Dodge Ram 2500 which has not been polished, nor probably ever has for that matter. The LSP beaded up pretty decently for a sealant, not as good as wax but you know the terms as far as that goes. I'll be doing some monitoring on the condition of it as time progresses. If I do find that it lasts a decent amount of time, even anywhere in the 2-3 month range, I'll be doing further tests. I plan on getting a junkyard panel and polishing it to perfection and recording whether or not this product causes marring (beyond regular washing marring) and how long it lasts on a well prepped surface. I'm very skeptical of the complete waterless wash endeavor, but you can't make a claim based on nothing. I've never tried any of it. Being completely honest, I expect to be let down but if the product suceeds in its claims then I believe we have a great winter addition to our lineups. So far the tests have concluded that it is extremely easy to use and that it doesn't fill well. It looks like it may have darkened the paint a bit. If I find that it does last long, I'll probably wind up teaming up with him in terms of marketing, and of course I'll be paying my membership dues, so don't lose any sleep over this Nica. :


Some crappy cell phone pics...

 

:shead: :shead: do you mean chemical guys go green?

WATERLESS CAR DETAILING SYSTEM GO-GREEN W/ CARNAUBA & KAOLIN CLAY (1 GAL.)

 

Nope it's not through Chemical Guys. Potentially it should outlast that I suppose, but it's the same premise. Please don't take it as I'm a rep for the company, although it is potential, I want to make sure the product is decent first.

 

that was just the first thing that popped into my head was the cg stuff

 

Yep me too actually, especially when I saw Kaolin clay.

 

Just got a question, it might be stupid so I apologize in advance. If you're applying this product to a paint surface which has no water on it and hasn't been cleaned, wouldn't the dirt be moved around with the applicator or the towel which could cause scratches in the clear coat? :shead:

 

Well it's a waterless wash, just like the CG style. Think of concentrated ONR being used to remove bird bombs and the like. This product could cause marring like I said before, but it's operating on the level that the chemicals are emulsifying the dirt etc. and you wipe it away (slowly), preferably with a deep pile microfiber. You may be right, I've never really used a waterless wash and my truck has a lot of swirls etc. on it to begin with so it's not a good host for checking for marring. Right now I'm seeing if it holds up at all, and if it does then I'll do tests on the perfected panel to check for this sort of thing.

 

I just did some testing of a waterless product and it looks as if everyone is jumping on the bandwagon for a number of reasons. I liked the product and think the "transition" might be similar to going from traditional wash methods to ONR? If you were skeptical about ONR, you'll probably feel the same about the waterless products.

I think the products will take some getting used to and that you will have to develop your own way of using it and judging how much to apply before you remove it.

In short, I like these products and think they are ideal for vehicles with a light layer of road dirt and maybe some bug splatter etc.

Looking forward to following this thread and the results and impressions others will share.

 

to be honest i am new to detailing and have been looking for a product that i can use before leaving for work that will remove dirt, dust, bird bombs, and whatever else from my protected paint. as a newb i find it extremely confusing to determine the differences between a "waterless wash" like cg one, a quick detailer, and ONR.

 

Ah ok, thanks man.

 

So what does everyone think? I'm pretty skeptical myself especially considering the all natural ingredients apparently. Is this possible?

 

It is possible, I dont know if you are following over on the "a' forum that Dave has helped revive High Definition, HD, line and there HD Free is kind of what you are describing. It has many lubricants to help no marring, has some nuba in it as a LSP, gives a nice shine after use and made with natural, environmentally friendly material. It almost sounds like HD Free.

 

Thanks for the info, but I'm also concerned about the longevity claims. Eight months is extremely long for any lsp.

 

I think 8 mo. may be a stretch, that is getting in to high end sealant territory right there. Keep us updated on how it turns out, who knows maybe this is something that will last 8 mo?!?

Oh yeah, does it leave a haze after you wipe that you have to buff away like you would a LSP?

 

Yes it hazes, buffs off easily.

 

It sounds a lot like Dri Wash n Guard which has been around for a long time. I am a distributor for it and have been selling it for about a decade. Some people swear by it and I sell probably 3 cases a year with absolutely no effort whatsoever. It is high in petroleum products and would strip the LSP from the paint that was already there. That product and my detailing services have nothing in common, LOL. I am not a fan of these products and I did not like the CG one either.

 

Um...:shead: :shead:

richy, I need some clarification on this, you've got a PM :shead: :shead:

 

Just by nomenclature alone it sounds like it. I think the main purpose of this is not adding like a quick detailed layer, but an LSP itself. So if it bonds to the paint by removing the previous layer, so be it. My main concern is how long it lasts and if it is harmful to the paint. Then looks come into play. Believe me I'm not pushing or defending the product, as I am more inclined to be skeptical on the eight months of protection, it's just worth giving it a shot as the eight months of research only needs me to look at the car, which is almost no effort.

 

To me it seams like a HUGE step is missing with a product like this... decontamination!

For a well maintained car maybe but most if not EVERY car I run into has severe paint contamination that needs to be removed before LSP...

 

I suppose it would be fantastic for a winter product provided it works right.