You guys in Canada, how do you like the Universal Healthcare up there?? Personally I think it sucks or will suck if they approve this crap. The govt wants to take over healthcare, increase our taxes, and then figure out ways to save money. I think its gonna be the worst thing this government did next to NAFTA. Its gonna be a big mess. I've got insurance. I like it and want to keep it. So now I get to pay for other ppl's insurance and my own as well. 3 words- get a job. I dont want to rely on someone else to pay my insurance. I'd rather pay it myself. Its my responability, not the governments. This will lead to nothing but bad. Bad Bad Bad!!! Land of the Free (insurance), Home of the Delayed (surgery) Sorry for the rant. I just dont think this has a twig in a wood chipper's chance of working out. Heath
^amen i hate the fact that we work and get $ taken from us to then be given to people who dont want to work.
I am with you on this one Heath. I sure hope this does not get passed. I have insurance too, but i want to be a doctor so that has major implications there as well!
The problem is Americans as a whole are fat, lazy, and just lead unhealthy lifestyles. To provide healthcare for all the preventable health issues would be astronomically expensive.
We do need health care reform. I am just not sure the final legislation will work since it is often loaded with special interest needs (drug companies, doctors, etc). There a handful of companies that control health care along with the drug companies. In the end, we are paying for it in more ways than once since it is just an additional employer expense that get passed around. I would like to see whatever is approved piloted somehow to work out the bugs since someone is likely to get rich quick through loopholes. Do not be fooled -- many republicans are not going to for vote it but they are being sure their special interests are in the final bill too since they know it will pass....
Our health care is probably not the best, but everybody is entitled to it. People dont die here nor lose everything they have because they cant afford healthcare. It's not just about getting a job. Some people just cant work. Many low paying jobs do not give benefits. Some in the states feel it's every man for himself. I think we canadians just have a little more compassion for people and a little less for dollar bills. Just my opinion.
it all depends on what one is used to. your used to paying more in taxes and "taking care of everyone." its not going to be an easy transition. hell, my family is from denmark. socialism at its finest but its been rated the happiest country in the world multiple times. they just value things differently than we in the US, etc. big homes, cars, and other toys.
I think we should be careful with this topic - don't wanna kill Nica now :doh: That being said, I'd agree with you here cooter. IMHO if the bill is passed things may start to take a turn for the worse. Dual citizenship ftw if you catch my drift.
I think you make a great point . Those that already have good healthcare may not like it. Those that dont have it will like it.
I just could not imagine having to pay for medicine with no insurance. I think they need to crack down on the pharmaceutical companies raping everyone. I take a daily medicine for some heart thing I have and for allergies. If I did not have insurance I'd be screwed. The co-pay is even expensive.
I don't believe that it is an all out love for the dollar. It's a matter of pride in working hard for something, making the necessary sacrifices to achieve it and reaping the reward. Passing this would lower the level of expertise in the medical field. Few would try to be the very best if they knew they were getting paid the same fee as someone who doesn't have the ability's or the desire to be highly skilled in their respective field. This forum is where it is because the people really want to be the best they can be. Would the top detailers/posters do the kind of work they do with all the extra time put in if their wage was controlled by a " Detailing Governing Body" that states "X amount of $'s" is what one gets paid for an exterior detail? Would we take our own cars to just any detailer? Do we take our loved ones to any Doctor just because he has passed a board test? If so we should all just go to the closest Dr.'s office for all medical issues The government already runs one health care system, it's called the V.A. I think we have all heard stories about them. Hospitals do not turn away those who are truly ill regardless of insurance. I do not mean to sound uncaring. I have a heart for the poor and the sick, the ones who are truly trying to better themselves. I donate to charities and volunteer ALOT of my time to the less fortunate. In conclusion, I am also not an elitist but part of middle class America and I do not want them to force something on us that they have proven they can't do. This of course is just my humble opinion. Good day to all!
Pharm companies are what need regulating. Healthcare is different because the further you go away from patient care, the more money is being made..which is contradictory to most other companies. For example, a shoe maker in China gets paid prolly 10 bucks for a pair of shoes that cost 3 dollars to make. Its Foot Locker and Foot Action and such that charge you 150 because of the brand. The most money is being made by who is directly selling to customer. Hospitals most of the time operate out of the red, trusts and donations keep it above water. 4 out of 5 dollars a hospital makes goes straight to personnel. Are doctors overpaid? Yes. Do they deserve it? Yes. I for one know how hard it is to get into medical school and the hoops you have to jump through, and that doesnt even count working till your 35 until you get a decent paycheck. If healthcare is government ran, they should redo the whole education outline it takes to become a doctor because the stuff doesnt add up. Why are we not reforming Dental care? Dentists charge whatever they want, and it is astronomical. A 20 minute wisdom teeth removal is running 2,000. How is that different? With a turn in the economy for the better, more people will have jobs and it should be mandatory to offer benefits. My job has me pay for them, and i do...and i dont make much money so there ya go. I do what i have to do to stay covered...do i have a family? no. but like i said i barely make enough to support myself only because i am in healthcare and have no experience so i got started off at low pay. We already have welfare for people who dont want to work, i know some cant but lets not be naive and think that everyone on welfare needs to be. I pay federal and state taxes unlike some states, i know texas doesnt have a state income tax...and im really not happy about throwing in a healthcare tax so that i see no benefit...in fact it will be a lot worse off for me because i will have to wait for days to get to a doctor..whereas now i can make an appointment and keep that time...hope nobody with insurance now needs a transplant of any kind because once socialized medicine comes, that list is gonna be looooooooong.
We need HEALTHCARE, not nationalized insurance. My brother lives in Canada, and I'm VERY thankful for that. I appreciate their healthcare system more than a lot of people who live there. In January of 2007 he was diagnosed with Leukemia, and nearly died several times. His entire treatment would have cost nearly 3 million dollars down here. EVERYTHING was covered in Canada. We spent maybe $1,000 on his prescriptions up until now. And if we have to do a bone marrow transplant (I'm his only donor) and they will pay for me to go up there, stay in the hospital and the procedure won't cost any money -- even though I'm an American citizen) Canada may have a lot of problems, but in this case I appreciate it a lot. By the way, he's in remission now and doing well -- just 3 more years until he's considered cured!
I really don't believe that is is the US's lack of compassion for people is the reason so many in the US oppose universal healthcare. If you look at statistics, year and and year out the US rates tops on charitable giving as a percentage of total house hold income. Granted this could be due to the fact that our taxes are pretty low. It is easy to give more to charity when you get to keep most of your income. I think many American's dislike of Universal Healthcare is due to the belief that many in the US who receive government aid really could work but are happy to just live off the government. I have a friend of mine who is a professor and has lived in the US, Canada, England, Germany and Chile. He noted that while living in Canada an in Europe that while those nations traditionally have higher unemployment than the US, he did not see it being due to those on government assistance taking advantage of it such assistance, and Canadian and European assistance is much more US assistance. His opinion was that that the overwhelming majority of those on assistance in Europoe and Canada REALLY could not find employment due to lack of skills or some other legitimate reason. Where as in the US, while many really have legitimate reasons to need assistance, there is a much larger percentage than in Europe and Canada who see assistance as a way of life. Some one the room who lived all over the world while in the military felt his view had some merit. So back to Universal Healthcare, I think many in the US share this notion that for some reason have no problem living off the government despite having the ability to earn a living themselves and provide for their own healthcare. Whether these two are correct or not, is hard to say.
I don't get the whole thing.....We already have National Heath Care. :duh: Its called the Emergency Room...lol
The U.S. government proves time and time agian it cant get much right. Look at the shape Medicare, medicaid and the V.A. are in. If they tax the ppl more that make over $250g/yr thats gonna be bad. Its usually small business owners. What are they gonna do?? Lay ppl off. How many ppl are you gonna see that want to be a doctor?? Medicaid only pays a doc a few dollars for each visit. Now they'll have to see a hundred ppl a day to make ends meet and over work their staff. Probably miss a few things and mis-diagnose something. Then go bankrupt or just call it quits all together. We will be loosing Doctors left and right. Now how many people would want to spend 8 years becoming a doctor??
