Need Help - in the middle with Menzerna

Discussion in 'Car Detailing Product Discussion' started by BJsBuds, Mar 7, 2009.

  1. BJsBuds

    BJsBuds Guest

    I am trying to detail my Jet Black 330cic before I turn it in to the dealer as my lease ends on the 17th.

    I am using a PC. Here's what I have done so far.
    Washed with CG Citrus Wash
    Clayed
    Washed with MS Duragloss
    PC with 4" Orange Pad and Menzerna SIP (2 passes about 3 minutes each)
    Next with 4" White Pad and Menzerna 106Ff (2 passes about 3 minutes)

    I had taped the section off to see if I could tell the difference.
    The positive is that it most of the scratches & swirls came out, but the polished section looked much lighter black than the side not touched. I am hesitant on doing more until I hear from you guys. Will the sealant bring the dark color back, or am I doing something wrong?

    This is why JL is detailing my Jet Black 550i. :thumb:
     
  2. D&D Auto Detailing

    D&D Auto Detailing DB Forum Supporter

    Can you take a picture? Also wipe the polished section down with some isopropyl alcohol.

    If it was me, I would just apply a heavy glaze to it. No sense in fully correcting the paint to turn it in. Dealership wont be able to tell a difference.
     
  3. 911Fanatic

    911Fanatic DB Pro Supporter

    Is the polished side actually "lighter" or is it "brighter" now that it has been polished? Looks like you've done everything right so far. Do you have some halogens you could use to see if there is any micromarring in the paint?
     
  4. BJsBuds

    BJsBuds Guest


    Well, I tried to take a few pictures, guess I don't have that technique down. Here they are. I wiped the polished section down with 50/50 isopropyl alcohol & distilled water. What do you mean by heavy glaze. Products please. Thanks
     

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  5. BJsBuds

    BJsBuds Guest

    I think lighter, although fewer scratches. Pictures just posted.
     
  6. BJsBuds

    BJsBuds Guest

    Also tried #M Perfect-It Ultrafine Machine Polish after the SIP just to see if the result was any better. Not much difference.
     
  7. JLs Detailing

    JLs Detailing DB Pro Supporter

    I'm thinking the polish didn't do what it need to and break down properly since poster is using a PC with Menzerna. I know you can get good results with a PC and Menzerna but it is certainly harder to do. Might try going over the area with a white pad and 106ff again for a longer time and see if that doesn't bring back the shine. Also I agree with D&D about the glaze.

    Sent you a PM.
     
  8. Asphalt Rocket

    Asphalt Rocket Nuba Guru

    Between the orange pad and not breaking the polish down completely that is what happens.
    Use sip with the white pad then white pad with 106fa, it will take some time with the pc as mentioned by JL.
     
  9. 911Fanatic

    911Fanatic DB Pro Supporter

    Or as Dan mentioned, a heavy glaze. Try Megs #80, Speed Glaze.
     
  10. MrPolished&Waxed

    MrPolished&Waxed Obsessive Detailer

    its micro marring isnt it?

    for time and moneys sake just fill it in with the glaze like stated above.

    but why doesnt the pc breakdown sip good? would he have been better off with the pc on 6 with a white LC pad?
     
  11. Asphalt Rocket

    Asphalt Rocket Nuba Guru

    The orange pad is leaving some marring and also the polished wasn't completely broken down. The pc will break down the pc if given the correct amount of time. As far as the white pad, yes it should have been used to go back over the above pic on a white pad, maybe even twice then followed up with a finishing pad and 106fa.
     
  12. togwt

    togwt Nuba Guru

    These products were specifically formulated to polish out any defects found on Nanotechnology ceramic clear coats, along with a high speed rotary polisher on the OEM production line of vehicle manufacturing plants, using high speed rotary polisher’s utilizing friction to break-down the diminishing abrasives, while in the controlled temperature / humidity environment (working temp range 60 – 80.oF (15-26.oC) of a vehicle manufacturer’s paint shop finishing line.


    For more information see articles "Diminishing Abrasives" & "Menzerna Polishes” in the Detailing School section of Detailing Bliss forum...
     
  13. BJsBuds

    BJsBuds Guest

    Thanks for all your help. Since I am turning the car in soon, I went ahead and applied Poorboy's Black Hole, a glaze I already had, then topped that off with a QD. It looks good.

    What have I learned?
    - Well, I thought 3 minutes for each 18" section was long enough for SIP, but I guess not. Actually it looked pretty good after applying the SIP, but worse after applying the 106FA.
    - I got brave and took my brand new Makita out of the box and put a Meg's light blue pad on it with Ultrafina. That lasted about 15 seconds, couldn't control the Makita. Back in the box and its going up for sale along with my UK 3M backing plate, and US 3M 4" backing plate.

    Thanks for all of your help!
     
  14. SSTG

    SSTG DB Forum Supporter

    Thats funny. But don't give up on the Makita just yet. First of all you tried it for the "first time" at the wrong time. You shouldn't have even thought about using it after all the stress of the previous methods. Read up on rotary use & watch some of the vids on here,and give it another try. Good luck.
     
  15. D&D Auto Detailing

    D&D Auto Detailing DB Forum Supporter

    Dont sell it. Maybe you can get some lessons from someone.
     

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